"Steve in Manhattan" (blogenfreude01)
02/22/2020 at 15:43 • Filed to: None
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"Steve in Manhattan" (blogenfreude01)
02/22/2020 at 15:43 • Filed to: None | 1
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Thought they’d dodged this bullet:
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fintail
> Steve in Manhattan
02/22/2020 at 16:06 |
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As someone who likes MBs and likes diesels, I think the days of that engine are over for passenger cars.
I have a 4300 lb AWD passenger car with a 362 hp (at least) engine with a sub-5 second 0-60 that’ll still pull 30 mpg all day on the highway. Technology has advanced, and the greenies can’t scream about it.
duurtlang
> fintail
02/22/2020 at 16:50 |
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30 mpg of highway fuel economy will not cut it in Europe though. That is extreme gas guzzler territory here. A 2020 S- Class diesel is rated at 40 mpg (US mpg) in the combined cycle. A base diesel C-Class 55 mpg (US) combined .
And given the upcoming high taxation of inefficient vehicles a 30 mpg vehicle will be priced out of the market: https://jalopnik.com/report-automakers-will-likely-not-meet-upcoming-eu-co2-1841856307
30 mpg US translates to 182 grams CO2 per 100 km. Daimler has a target of 103.1 for 2021. Your one car alone would cost Daimler a (182-103.1) * €95 = €7496 fine, if they were sell it new in Europe in 2021. And that is assuming it is rated for 30 mpg combined .
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fintail
> duurtlang
02/22/2020 at 17:40 |
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I have to wonder about those EU cycles. Are you sure those aren’t imperial mpg? I had a W212 E250 diesel, which could hit 45 mpg on the freeway (I am a gentle driver most of the time), but was more like 25 mpg in the city, and it was slowish and weighed a few hundred pounds less than my current gasser. I wonder if EPA cycles are closer to real world, even though I can always best them. I have sincere doubts S-class diesel owners are actually seeing 40 mpg overall unless they are wafting along at 53 mph in 9th gear with no traffic and a tailwind 100% of the time.
Sounds like the EU regulation gongshow is handing things over to EV makers, fire up those coal fired power plants and rare earths mines. Maybe a bribe to Brussels/Strasbourg here and there too.
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duurtlang
> fintail
02/22/2020 at 19:29 |
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I used metric stats and calculated those to American mpgs myself. But yes, the official stats are more optimistic than the EPA ones.
And yes, the entire point of the regulations is to stop the widespread use of gasoline and diesel, without an outright ban. It is a very strong incentive for manufacturers to invest in EV tech. The weaker companies (read: GM) saw this coming and waved the white flag. FCA is paying huge sums (hundreds of millions?) to Tesla so they are pooled together. The rest will need to introduce EVs and plugin hybrids.
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fintail
> duurtlang
02/22/2020 at 19:36 |
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EPA used to really over-estimate stats, now I think it under-estimates to make drivers feel good. I’ve seldom had a problem exceeding EPA estimates.
I
suppose this regulation will let some sensitive bureaucrats
assua
ge their guilt about actually daring to consume
resources. This way pollution can be sent elsewhere
.
Usually I think the EU is more logically operated than the US, but this pile of regulation seems a bit overdone.
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Steve in Manhattan
> duurtlang
02/25/2020 at 02:32 |
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Thought this was part of the solution ...